South African Tim Noakes is the face of the low carb, high fat (LCHF) diet, also called the Banting diet, and he makes no secret of the fact that he does not approve of vegan and vegetarian diets.


He has gone one step further now, saying that people cannot survive on a vegan diet.

Noakes told the Huffington Post South Africa: “There’s never been a society that can survive on a completely vegetarian or vegan diet. We have to have some animal products. Vegan people survive because you can get some of the nutrition you need from supplements, which means it’s not a complete diet.

“But you are still not getting adequate protein. You can survive on a 100% animal diet, but you cannot survive 100% on a vegan diet.

“We became humans when we started to eat animal produce. When we became carnivores we said it is much easier to eat an animal, than have to carry around this huge gut.

“Now what’s happening is that vegans and vegetarians are trying to convert the biology of humans to the way we were 3 million years ago, and we can’t do that. There is one species that tried, the Panda Bear, and it is one of the most unhealthy animals on earth.”


Noakes went on to say: “The only way we will save the planet is by going back to meat eating. By having farms where animals are eating grass, and manuring the land, means that all the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could return if they start more meat production.”

“Topsoil is disappearing due to plant-based agriculture, and I worry that you can’t continue like this much longer because the myth that livestock is driving environmental issues is driven by the fossil fuel industry and they are very powerful obviously.

“People like Bill Gates, and Richard Branson, are very powerful, and more people are saying they are going to be eating plant-based diets because of them, but the move against meat-based diets is unfounded, and irresponsible to promote at this stage.”




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  1. Mark on October 2, 2017 at 12:04 pm

    How transparent can this guy be? He clearly makes money from the Banting Diet which sounds very similar in concept to the Atkins Diet. And Dr. Atkins had a history of heart disease that he claimed had nothing to do with his diet…..yeah, ok.

    And what scientific study is he basing this on? “Topsoil is disappearing due to plant-based agriculture?” That is actually funny!

    • Gert on March 8, 2018 at 10:52 pm

      If you think it’s funny that billions of tons of topsoil get blown into the oceans every year due like he says due to irresponsible “plant based agricultural practises” then you have a very frightening sense of humour. Remember “dust bowl “ America in the 1930’s? No of course you don’t. Remember how the snow of the NZ alps was stained red from Australian top soil. No you wouldn’t. It’s a well known fact that the world’s top soils are disappearing at a frightening rate.

      • Dorothea on June 27, 2019 at 2:42 pm

        Farmers more than anyone work crop rotation and multiple other strategies to preserve topsoil. I do agree that meat is healthier for the animal and anyone who eats products from the animal when they eat a natural versus a grain based diet and have normal exercise. He sounds way off base otherwise.

      • Ashley on August 3, 2019 at 4:20 am

        You do realize that 80% of our crops go to feeding livestock animals, right?

        • Bob on August 21, 2019 at 9:49 am

          Nope, that’s wrong

      • Michael Williams on November 15, 2019 at 7:17 pm

        that is bercause of too much cattle raising

        • Benjamin Kidd-Bentley on January 16, 2020 at 11:45 pm

          It’s been proven that animals in their current state cannot last much than around 60 years.
          Look at the state of the US!
          If you really wanted to help our beautifful planet just watch some of the documentary and warning.

      • Mike on January 12, 2020 at 9:20 am

        This is do fucking stupid it’d unbelievable. Do you know what your cherished cows eat ? Plants you fucking retard; you know what most soy bean grown us used for? Animal feed for eat. Please grow s brain there’s liads of ways of growing plants without damaging topsoil..

    • Claudette on October 5, 2018 at 11:25 pm

      Wow are you for real? Mark, I hope you don’t live in North America because if you do, and you weren’t taught about the Dust Bowl in school, then I worry for your education. It is not even slightly controversial at this point that inadequate crop farming practices cause desertification, and that most of the crops grown in the world today use these irresponsible practices. Plowing, leaving fallow fields bare to avoid “weeds”, and trying to run a farm with no animal inputs all contribute to topsoil loss. This is why even when organic farms are run by vegans, they will use animal manure. But somebody still has to raise the animals to produce that manure, Mark. Farms that raise both plants and animals on the same plot of land are the most efficient and environmentally-friendly way to retain fertility of topsoil. Effectively what you are doing is creating an ecosystem. You use the plants to enrich the animals, and use the animals to enrich the soil and by extension the plants. Then you reap whatever surplus is generated for your own needs. With plant-only agriculture, you take fertility and nutrients from the land and give nothing back, and eventually something has to give.

      Modern industrial animal agriculture is an environmental disaster, but so is modern industrial plant agriculture. The environmental problem is not creating in raising animals, the problem is created in industry trying to take shortcuts and calling it “efficiency”. In fact, if we were going to give up one or the other (plant or animal agriculture), it would be better to give up plant agriculture as responsible ranching can actually heal marginal land and turn it back into arable land. Plant-only agriculture can’t do that.

      Of course the best thing of all would be for people to eat animal products in smaller quantities than they do now in the West, but still continue to eat *some*. A diet that is mostly plants with a small amount of animal products is the healthiest and most environmentally-friendly, and what is most environmentally-friendly turns out to be what is best for the animals as well as ourselves.

      • Miranda Knapp on October 30, 2019 at 4:30 pm

        What an absolute moron. End of

      • Tobh on February 25, 2020 at 10:19 pm

        The guys a retard . I was laughing my head off for about 4 hours. My friends auntie has been a vegan since 1960 and ive been vegetarian since i was born.

    • Nelwine on January 13, 2019 at 11:42 pm

      Shut up fucking idiot you really are stupid but USA say no more

      • Bryan D on March 19, 2019 at 6:37 am

        hi – plant based diets are absolute bullshit – not good FOR ANYTHINGother than a small detox for a short tiny period of time. glad to see so many vegan haters here. i was vegan for 10 years – glad im not anymore.

        • BRUH on May 20, 2019 at 11:58 am

          good for the environment? good for human ethics? good for the animals? good for humans if you do it c o r r e c t l y? sure its easier to get some nutrients from an omnivorous diet, but there are lots of benefits to being vegan, like contributing to a higher daily intake of certain beneficial nutrients, or having lower blood sugar levels, even higher insulin sensitivity, and up to a 50–78% lower risk of developing type 2 diabetes. Even if you have to eat quinoa instead of dead cow ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          • Carniche on August 12, 2019 at 10:04 pm

            My son went vegan. Never seen him put on so much weight as you consume too many carbs. Give me a balanced diet anyday. Yes cut down on the red meat by all means but white meat and fish, cheese, eggs and yoghurt all need to stay in your diet to stay healthy.

        • Rain on June 18, 2019 at 3:09 pm

          you are a complete idiot. I have been on a plant based diet for years and I have never been better. They’re great for everything, you just like eating rotting flesh.

          • Fiona Davies on August 15, 2019 at 9:04 am

            If you read the article, it’s not great for everything. I can only assume you don’t care about the environment.

        • Matthew Savory on June 22, 2019 at 5:50 am

          Some people seem to forget about the plants that need to be grown to be fed to the animals. Jeez, it’s not complicated. Animal agriculture is destroying the planet, and future generations will look back at this time and wonder, why did they let it happen?

          • Wayne on November 25, 2019 at 4:08 pm

            You can feed more people on vegetarian diet than meat diet.I think you need some meat in diet but buy free range organic.I dont touch battery factory farmed meat

        • Mark on August 28, 2019 at 7:49 pm

          Spoken like a true, biased, one sided, vegan hating meat eater…..

        • Toby on February 25, 2020 at 10:21 pm

          You sound like a proper wanker

    • lazaro on August 13, 2019 at 3:55 pm

      i could not agree with you more

    • Kathleen White on August 31, 2019 at 6:50 pm

      If you could not go to the store and purchase commercially grown plants you would die if you tried to survive on what you could forage unless you could fish and hunt. If the disgustingly polluting trucks stopped rolling, there would be 3 days of food in the markets and then it would be gone. Protein is important and fat is essential. What you could do is eat veggies you have grown yourself and eggs from chickens who forage. Really! wake up. You are buying into a disproven propaganda campaign that benefits the commercial food industry and has already destroyed the topsoil not to mention the habitats of countless animals. You need to learn how to think quite a bit more deeply.

    • Chanelle Criqui-Anderson on October 20, 2019 at 8:22 pm

      Ridiculous ignorance! I’ve been purely vegan for more than 7 years and know of many humans who have been vegan since birth! I am in excellent health, look at least 10 years younger than friends and colleagues my age, and have far more energy than they do. The only supplement I take a vitamin B 12 which is a bacteria from the soil…and plenty of non-vegans are low on vitamin B 12 as well! Start talking to legitimate cardiologists and others who are well versed about our physiology. Learn about how the human body breaks down food to utilize and synthesize the needed amino acids on a daily basis. Two human friends of my spouse were diagnosed with stage four cancer a decade ago (1 had breast cancer and the other had metastatic melanoma). Neither had chemo or radiation, and one just had most of her breast tumor removed, but no mastectomy. They both went from a standard American diet to fully plant based diets with plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables and are cured and cancer free to this day. When my 60 pound dog was diagnosed with cancerous tumors (after biopsy and lab analysis) 5 years ago, I was devastated. I decided to try switching him from his high quality grain free, preservative free, by-product free dog food to a vegan diet. In four months, the tumors had disappeared. His veterinarian was flabbergasted and we are so relieved. Nothing will ever make me go back to a violence and destruction based diet! I’m sticking with common sense and compassion.

      • BDT on November 9, 2019 at 11:26 pm

        Thank you for your inspirational story. I love the positivity. x

    • Jack Daw on January 13, 2020 at 1:01 pm

      But it is. Numerous studies have evidence of top soil levels diminishing under crop production. 6 inches gone and we all starve. Are synthetic fertilisers the way forward? Artificial poisons. Very funny. Have a good laugh.

    • Rod on January 27, 2020 at 12:00 am

      Been a vegan for 10 years. Why is this website giving this guy a medium to dispense his BS!

    • Alyssa Lemmer on February 20, 2020 at 12:27 pm

      I think he’s scientific study is based on (Biology,Agricultural studies and geography), its a known fact MARK that the ozone layer is disappearing due to plant-based agriculture* and other reasons*,which means no food for the animals which also means no manure being placed on land ,no manure ,no soil, no soil ,no plants ,no plants, no oxygen, no oxygen ,no ozone recovery which means being exposed to radiation which also means cancer. MARK i suggest you factually check yourself before you embarrass yourself, which you already did!

      -A 10th Grader 🙂

  2. Toni Brockhoven on October 2, 2017 at 4:21 pm

    So South Africa is overflowing with the walking dead! At least I now know, that living vegan for 12 1/2 years means I died ages ago, despite no high blood pressure, no sugar diabetes, no heart issues, and good bone health. Does this man not know that that the vast majority of plants, world wide, are grown to feed animals, to turn them into burgers?
    What an embarrassment to the medical profession. This is also the man who described humans as being closest to carnivores, on television.

    • Kenneth on November 27, 2018 at 9:22 pm

      Humans can’t digest cellulose

      • Jack Daw on January 13, 2020 at 1:03 pm

        So why are artificial meats full of methyl cellulose? A known laxative.

        • Dc on February 21, 2020 at 7:49 pm

          you just kicked an own goal without even knowing it. It’s a laxative because it can’t be digested. Also it’s not cellulose.

    • Alyssa Lemmer on February 20, 2020 at 12:28 pm

      Who said all we eat is burgers Lol

  3. Nicola John on October 2, 2017 at 5:29 pm

    This guy’s an idiot. I actually laughed whilst reading this.

    • Beth Walker on August 19, 2018 at 8:24 pm

      Same!! I’m not even annoyed, this is absolutely stupid.

      • RJJ on August 13, 2019 at 2:35 am

        What an idiot

  4. Ann Woolley on October 2, 2017 at 8:01 pm

    Oh please, give me a break!! Tim, you need to do more research and stop trying to promote that stupid, unhealthy Banting diet! You clearly know nothing about plant-based/vegan eating!! LOL!!!!

  5. Athena n'ha Lee on October 2, 2017 at 11:59 pm

    Yow… about COGNITIVE DISSONANCE–Ye Gods and little fishes!
    ….Did someone forget to tell the hundreds of thousands of lifelong vegans the world over to quit being healthy and long- lived, and to “just lay down and die, dammit?!!”

  6. Julie on October 3, 2017 at 10:43 am

    Am at a loss why you would share such an article which just infuriates Vegans (I’ve been vegetarian for 28 years and vegan for 4!) and gives some ignorant meat eaters more ammunition to throw at us. Please continue to do what you do best and educate people with the benefits of a vegan diet!

    • Patric Hamilton on October 4, 2018 at 2:29 am

      I became a total vegetarian in 1971. Forty-seven years later I’m still alive……or maybe I’m actually a zombie!

    • Wendy Anne on November 1, 2018 at 3:52 pm

      Meat eaters aren’t ignorant. I happen to be one and proud of it. I was a vegetarian and vegan for years, but it didn’t sustain me. I did it right, but I was always hungry and felt so weak. My health was really suffering. It is a very depriving way to eat and not healthy because you are never going to get all the nutrients you need on a vegan diet. I’m glad I’m not a vegan anymore because I hate how vegans are. They put people down who don’t follow the vegan diet and they think they are better than everyone else.

      • DKD on November 5, 2018 at 4:15 pm

        Well you certainly are ignorant, uneducated and a liar. It is very unlikely you followed a healthy vegetarian diet, and being lazy means it’s much easier to blame a lack of meat instead of blaming your self for being too lazy to put a real effort into eating the proper vegetarian diet w proper exercise.

        • Nick on October 22, 2019 at 9:58 am

          DTD there are people who are getting ill from being vegan i actually know someone who was very ill by doing a vegan diet and they did do it right and then you accuse them of being lazy they are not lazy they have done it like people told them to and they were still poorly so you cannot have a go at them for giving up after years of trying

        • Alyssa Lemmer on February 20, 2020 at 12:31 pm

          Based on this reply you sent DKD your the ignorant one sweetie:)

      • Carrie on November 12, 2018 at 7:27 pm

        You obviously didnt do it right. There are various types of greens such as spinach, kale, broccoli, the list goes on, that have MUCH more nutrients than any type of dead animal flesh could ever have. There is NOTHING depriving about a vegan diet, other than you don’t get the clogged arteries, heart problems, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and many other diseases correlated with animal products. Between vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds, and fruits, a vegan diet lacks absolutely no nutrition.

        • Steve on February 24, 2019 at 5:17 am

          Hey Carrie, I’m curious where you get your vitamin B12 on a vegan diet?? I’m not being a smart ass, I actually want to know..??

          • Mindy on April 28, 2019 at 7:03 pm

            Uh….there are vegan B12 supplements….

          • Clay on September 23, 2019 at 1:28 pm

            Nutritional yeast, I eat b12 on several my meals everydat

        • ajinkya ojha on July 6, 2019 at 10:15 pm

          lol..first two sentences…i agree vegan is very nutritional diet….kale and spinach makes u super strong i agree they have lots of calcium,protein,fats and all the nutrients required ….all world class athletes eats kale spinach and soy…..m i right?

        • Fiona Davies on August 15, 2019 at 9:07 am

          It’s the environmental argument that swings it for me. I want a world for future generations.

        • JW. on January 7, 2020 at 9:39 pm

          What about Vit. B12, isn’t that lacking in a vegan diet ?? If it wasn’t for supplements and supplemented food, where would you get it from ?

        • Alyssa Lemmer on February 20, 2020 at 12:33 pm

          Carrie please tell me do you think all we eat is meat, or do you think we at least touch lettuce….

      • Jake on November 29, 2018 at 6:10 am

        Maybe you ate an unhealthy vegan diet full of junk food. One still needs to eat sensible as a Vegan as with any diet.

        It is ignorant to say that healthy, fresh fruit and vegetables, nuts and legumes cant give you energy, but dead, tortured food (meat) can… blows my mind!

        • ajinkya ojha on July 6, 2019 at 10:16 pm

          doesn’t blow’s my mind though

      • Lynne C on December 22, 2018 at 2:52 pm

        Thank you Wendy. I agree…especially your last sentence and will add not only am I put down but attacked by vegans even in my family. Sad

      • Bryan D on March 19, 2019 at 6:40 am

        Vegans are CRAZY – and dont think logically.
        there is no logical science behind veganism and if you look at it scientifically it is UNHEALTHY.
        if you look at the moral compass of it – it is skewed due to demonizing meat eating.
        So therefore veganism is DISHONEST.
        They actually have the gall to say it is healthy which also points to their dishonesty.
        i was vegan for 10 years (try finding that !) – and not vegetarian btw – actually vegan
        it is unhealthy and many ppl will soon realize it is NOTHING without supplements which are just synthetic versions of REAL FOOD – thus making the diet bullshit.

        • Clay on September 23, 2019 at 1:32 pm

          Could you provide a summary of your Vegan diet. I would love to analyze what was deficient.

        • Jacqui on September 24, 2019 at 7:04 am

          Well said Bryan It’s all just a trend. There is no scientific basis to the vegan diet!! And it’s always The vegans that get so nasty, swearing and calling people names, I guess the truth hurts.

          • Marge P on October 27, 2019 at 1:06 pm

            A trend that is growing rapidly… like never before. Every moment becoming bigger and bigger.
            You know why? Other than the science, Humans are feeling the health benefits of a balanced vegan diet. If you eat legumes, greens, nuts, seeds, fruits and healthy carbs there are no reason to go back to eating meat.
            I don’t understand the aggression and psychology towards a vegan diet. I don’t like it when people feel judge because they eat meat. I can tell you that future generations will mostly be vegan wether we like it or not.

      • Kathleen White on August 31, 2019 at 6:55 pm

        Agreed! They always take the moral high ground for themselves and tend to be nasty and verbally violent to defend their poorly thought out agenda.

        • Jacqui on September 24, 2019 at 7:07 am

          So true Kathleen

      • Toby on February 25, 2020 at 10:25 pm

        Coz they are…..

    • Mark on May 17, 2019 at 5:46 am

      so what supplements are you taking?

    • Jack Daw on January 13, 2020 at 1:18 pm

      Scientific studies show vegan brains are shrinking. 60% of the human brain is fat. Our evolution really advanced on an animal based diet. Cognitive deficiencies with regards to homo sapiens becomes more pronounced, hatred levels escalate and short term memory loss is common. Jackson Research have dissected several thousand cadavers and have documented the smaller brains in vegan and vegetarian diet people. The incidence of cancers is marginal 49:51. People should eat less meat and more fruit/veges but to go to extremes is damaging to ones health. The Carb Institute of San Diego looked at carb intake from a plant diet. Overloading was common due the cravings for protein commonly could in vegans. Seasonality of crops can make getting a balance impossible, so supplements become essential. Personality disorders and anger issues in vegans are rising. Sexy Vegan and durianrider are 2 notable cases. Sexy Vegan is allegedly being charged for a beastiality offence and durianrider assaulted a motorist. Both have recorded instances of making derogatory comments about no vegans, displaying misplaced belief of superiority. As representative leaders of veganism, Sexy Vegan’s method of wiping his posterior after defecating is something he is proud of. That is, using his hand dipped into the toilet bowl. Many followers may have adopted this method and the risk of E. coli infection is significant. The influence of durianrider and his conquests of teenage woman are well catalogued in videos but not proven. His road rage and vitriolic words are never ending. He is advanced stage vegan deprived and should really re assess his diet. Perhaps he knocked his head in a crash, but it is more likely the road would have broken than his head. Vegan leaders are such as Sexy and Durian are excellent ambassadors for veganism and showcase the typical vegan perfectly.

  7. Shari on October 3, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    WHAT!? Celebrating my 15 year vegan anniversary in 2 days’ time and never once needed to visit a doctor or been ill. And been meat-free/vegetarian for 28 years in total.

    • Clay on September 23, 2019 at 1:34 pm

      Congratulations Shari, that is an awesome accomplishment!

  8. Dean Weston on October 3, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    Next time, Tim Noakes explains how smoking more cigarettes is the best way to improve lung function.


    • Derec on July 22, 2019 at 10:53 pm

      Yep cigarettes smoking, is the only way to go , cigarettes don’t kill,people who light up cigarettes kill
      I am a vegan since2005 and I couldn’t go without meat till I saw how cruel the animals were treated
      And mocked by sadists who slaughter and torture them and I first became vegetarian now vegan .
      At first I was craving meat but I fought against the urges just like cigarettes and alcohol as a Dr. of nutrition said but after a couple weeks or so depending on the person I stop craving juicy cheeseburgers,plus all the inhumanly killed and treated animals are not good for humans either.
      I’m sure in today’s age everyone knows this and is either making a profit by meat industry or just stubborn.

    • Marge P on October 27, 2019 at 1:08 pm

      Totally correct.
      Tim Jokes

    • Alyssa Lemmer on February 20, 2020 at 12:37 pm

      yeah as if eating meat and smoking are the exact same thing am i right?

  9. Sarah on October 4, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    It’s so laughable (the article) that it looks like a spoof article! I think the “reporter” had the intention of making Prof Noakes look like a real idiot?! What a load of absolute nonsense! The tragedy is that the unthinking public will think it’s true. Hardened meat eaters will be quoting this with glee! I think we should report Huffington Post to the media ombudsman for publishing fake news!!

  10. JHa on October 4, 2017 at 8:04 pm

    Topsoil is disappearing because of all the crops grown up feed his meat.
    Eating meat has definitely done nothing to this guy’s IQ.

    • steve on April 1, 2019 at 1:15 am

      wtf sounds like you live in a sterile test tube

  11. sandra bell on October 5, 2017 at 10:17 pm

    Clueless morons roam the earth. Here’s another one spouting off clap-trap. I was a vegetarian for the first 38 years of my life and a vegan for the past 34. I never had a bite of flesh in my life and never even one headache or pharmaceutical. I have been a strong athlete since age 14 and still teach grueling exercise classes. I have no illnesses or degenerative diseases. Never get the “flu” and never had a vaccine. There you go.

    • Mindy on April 28, 2019 at 7:07 pm

      According to this article we should all be dead now..that speaks for itself as to the quality and research put into this article

    • Chris on January 17, 2020 at 3:46 am

      I am a meat eater & have not used pharmaceuticals for maybe 20 years. I never get sick, never have vaccines, don’t take vitamins or supplements, am not overweight, have no illness or disease………..I eat a balanced diet which includes a huge variety of plants, legumes & grains as well as animal products. There you go! So your point was???

  12. Riaan De Winnaar on March 8, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    Guess we then have to disregard the peer reviewed research that shows how plant based diets are actually health promoting for your ignorant opinion that’s not backed by any research.

  13. Riaan De Winnaar on March 8, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    And here physicians are advised to recommend plant based diets for the health benefits associated with this lifestyle.

    • lazaro on August 13, 2019 at 4:26 pm

      thanks so much for posting those excellent researches……..

    • Dc on February 21, 2020 at 8:13 pm

      did you even read the article you linked. It was a case study if one man who went plant-based for 16 weeks. That’s not research, that’s an anecdote.

  14. Riaan De Winnaar on March 8, 2018 at 7:14 pm

    “The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, the professional organization of dietitians, released a position statement on vegetarian diets, saying appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets “are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.” They go on to highlight the benefits of plant-based diets, including a nice explanation of specific nutrient concerns and non-concerns as well as the environmental impact of food choices.”

    • Mark on May 17, 2019 at 5:51 am

      appropriately planned means taking supplements

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  16. Son Lyme on July 17, 2018 at 4:38 pm

    While I appreciate the morals behind a Vegan diet, to dismiss the opinion of one of the world’s foremost research professors as badly informed or mercenary is to allow bias to cloud judgement. We are all free to eat as we wish, but let’s not let that obfuscate scientific fact.

    There is an issue with current farming techniques and volumes eroding top soil, and the evidence for reducing carbohydrates in the western diet is becoming undeniable.

    How one achieves this remains of course a matter of personal choice.

    • Mindy on April 28, 2019 at 7:11 pm

      One of the ‘scientific facts’ of this article is that vegans cannot survive, so why are we all still alive? Great research!!!

      • Bragi on August 7, 2019 at 3:08 pm

        🙂 Vegan here. I guess I’ve been dead for 43 years….

        • Alyssa Lemmer on February 20, 2020 at 12:39 pm

          thats not what this is saying sweetie 🙂

      • Dc on February 21, 2020 at 8:15 pm

        Supplements. You can’t survive without fortified/processed foods and supplements.

  17. Charlie Stone on July 27, 2018 at 6:17 am

    I believe most of the hyperbolic vegans chanting their mantras in the comments are too slow witted to grasp his meaning. He’s speaking of naturally in the wild, without stores shipping produce and nuts and seeds and beans and supplements and fruits. If you were in a temperate climate with a variety of fruit and seeds and vegetation, maybe you could do okay. But you’re not going to survive in the majority of environments. A meat eater can get complete nutrition from an animal. You are not a plant. If you’d like to challenge your philosophy for real I challenge any vegan to a five year adventure in the mountains of Pennsylvania with only basic camping equipment and no food at all. And we’ll begin in winter. Anyone? That’s his point. Topsoil erosion is a problem, and over farming land to support the “trend” of veganism is destructive. And “you” site cognitive dissonance?

    • Thomas on August 31, 2018 at 6:50 pm

      Charline Stone… Please tell me more about how supporting the “trend” of veganism is more destructive than supporting omnivorism with beef, pork and chicken. Meat which requires much more land and water than the veganism trend..

    • Gelisgi on December 27, 2018 at 9:14 am

      You argue that since humans are not plants, a plant based diet is inadequate? Sir, my horse is not a plant, yet he is extremely healthy on a plant only diet. Please explain your position.

      • Alexis on June 9, 2019 at 7:32 pm

        Best comment ever. Love it. I’m not a plant, either. I’ve been a vegetarian for a decade and vegan for two years. My bloodwork is better than ever. My cholesterol is down to 140 and my blood pressure is lower and healthy now at 110/60. I’m not deficient in anything. I do take B12 but I’ve always done so even when I was eating meat years ago because I never ate red meat. It’s not such a tragedy to take a supplement I’ve always taken. Also, Drs push people to take a multivitamin and vitamin D here in the northeast anyway, meat eaters AND vegetarians/vegans are given the same recommendation. I am also not crazy and do not push my choices on others. These so called justifications in particular for a meat-based diet are basically as valid as The Chewbacca Defense. How about we all make our own choices and stop attacking each other.

      • Derec on July 22, 2019 at 11:00 pm

        Great funny comeback Gelisgi !Very True

  18. Melanie Taren on September 18, 2018 at 5:45 am

    I’m vegan, and I don’t disagree with a coupe of the points made in the article although I have to say though as a side, using terms like “hyperbolic vegans chanting their mantras” is so fatiguing. Really, can we have a conversation with differing points of view without having to throw insults? That just NEVER works. My god I’m so beyond tired of that rhetoric. State your point without the rest of the vitriole. This applies to everyone who starts a sentence that way. My reasons for becoming vegan have nothing to do with hysteria or mantra. An estimated 8% of Australians are now vegan, are we still going to use this outdated commentary that all vegans are the same?? The levels of suffering and damage both to the animals and this planet are enough for anyone to at least consider it. Wanting to prevent that damage is a very sane, rational reasoning.

    I’m an intelligent person. And I’m vegan. And interestingly I’m still alive. The heading is patently misleading, and it is so by design. He’s not saying you can’t be a vegan and remain living, he’s talking about an environment totally different to the one we live in. Which makes me wonder what the purpose of the article even is given this is not an environment most of us inhabit – and by that I mean the most of us who are considering our culinary choices to this degree. We don’t live on the land, and if we did maybe we’d need to eat meat to survive. I’m not in contest to this point, I don’t know whether it’s true or not. But we don’t live in that world, we live in a world where people want 30 different types of meat / cuts available to them at any given time of day because god forbid they couldn’t get their crocodile sausages for their weekend BBQ, and therefore the animal agriculture required to support this is untenable. If people at what they needed, great. They don’t. They eat animal products in almost EVERY single meal of the day, every single day, and it’s screwing up this planet and every animal involved in it.

    Totally agree about topsoil issues (as much as I can be by researching as best I can), although the comment of over farming land to support a “trend” of veganism being destructive – is ridiculous. How can you even compare the damage caused by plant based practices and animal agriculture?? It’s totally ludicrous. Firstly Veganism isn’t a “trend”, it’s a shift in the way modern people are now starting to understand the implications of industrial animal farming on multiple levels – animal welfare, environmental impacts, health etc. To call it a trend just shows there’s not real understanding of the legitimate and lasting reasoning behind it. The problem with this article is it’s pointless. Topsoil is a problem? So is animal agriculture (now considered the largest environmental threat we have). There’s no legitimate comparison here and all it does is give people eating meat a tiny fragment of non contextual information which they can use to blow up and throw back. Most of us in the western world (where most of the damage is created) are living around the corner from Coles. This is the reality. We should be looking at where we live and which is the healthiest and least impactful way to live in THAT environment. We can’t say hey I’d better keep eating meat every meal seeing as I wouldn’t make it through a Pennsylvanian winter without it, while living at the beach in Sydney.

    • Sophie on April 12, 2019 at 12:32 am

      This response needs an applause. Melanie, I wish there were many more like you and I hope you keep using your intelligence in such a positive and beneficial way.

    • Mark on May 17, 2019 at 5:59 am

      They eat animal products in almost EVERY single meal of the day, every single day, and it’s screwing up this planet and every animal involved in it.

      wrong. its the way it is processed. how we get it. not that we eat it every meal. and there are animal by products that are used for soil and other purposes. vegans are hyperbokic and self righteous as a group and mostly wrong and uneducated about food.

    • Alexis on June 9, 2019 at 7:35 pm

      Yes. This comment. Thank you, Melanie.

  19. Rory Wade on November 30, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    Wow okay so when I was eating meat before I became allergic to it (wow that’s an actual thing that can happen) and am allergic to dairy so therefore am forced to be a vegan by default; I was forced to take vitamins because I had sever B12 deficiencies. I think that shows that vegans actually can survive on this earth even vegetarians exist. So there is a problem in his faulty studying because I exist in this world with severe allergies to where I can go into anaphylactic shock if I eat any meat.

    • Stephanie on July 9, 2019 at 9:24 pm

      That will be because you have brucellosis.. absolute milk allergy and also allergy to the meat probably got cow Brucella ie Abortus and sheep and goat Brucella Melitense..

  20. Nevona Creighton on April 2, 2019 at 4:05 am

    Funny because I dont take supplements and im still 100% alive!

    • Johnny on June 17, 2019 at 9:38 am

      Give it a couple of years for your body to fully deplete its B12 and cause brain damage as your cannibalises itself. Then like a frog slowly boiling you won’t connect the dots that your physical and mental deterioration is a result of your vegan diet, until it’s too late. Veganism is an ideology not a natural or healthy diet, its chief aim is not your health but animal welfare and it’s supported by pseudoscience and dietary bodies chaired by vegans and seventh day adventists. Vegan societies never existed and a plant based diet has only become possible with the aid of modern pharmaceuticals and supermarkets. It is fake and unnatural as it gets and monoculture and shipping exotic plants from around the world is environmentally unfriendly and also kills many animals.

      • Ed on August 24, 2019 at 8:46 pm

        Clearly you know little about B12.

  21. Gary on April 14, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    Meh when the collapse comes all you vegans, will be eating meat, insects, little fishes and I wouldn’t be surprised if a few turned cannibal. Veganism is a highly unnatural way for the vast majority of humans to subsist. It isn’t how we evolved that is what the guy in the article is tying to explain.

    And just think about all the mammals that were displaced or killed and all them insects poisoned for your soy products.

    • Ed on August 24, 2019 at 8:44 pm

      It’s the most natural actually. Study human anatomy.

    • Sam on September 10, 2019 at 2:25 pm

      “Your soy Products” 70% of the soy products is used to feed the animals you eat, now who kills the most animals?

  22. Jerry on July 2, 2019 at 6:30 pm

    Why did you publish this crap?

  23. Carol Arden on August 12, 2019 at 10:41 pm

    So many angry people!!
    Must be all that fruit and veg and lentils. Quite sad really. Why don’t we all just go about our own business and leave everyone else to do the same. Live and let live.

    • Ed on August 24, 2019 at 8:41 pm

      Correct. Let the animals live.

  24. Clay on September 23, 2019 at 2:15 pm

    Let me start by saying I started researching the vegetarian diet because me 12 year old daughter came home from school one day and said she wanted to become a vegetarian. I asked her to do the research and help educate me before we ventured down that road. As a cheesehead from Wisconsin I had no insight into the plant based diet and it kind of frightened me to stop eating cheese. About a week into not thinking about what my daughter had mentioned to me, I thought I better get on this researching thing to find out what I didn’t know about the diet.

    I started out by googling “what do I need to know about a vegetarian diet”. The information was endless and incorporated many variations-pescatarian, egg and cheese eaters, and vegan. The one part that stuck out to me most was the vegan, always thought these people were the fruitiest or the fruity. I kept reading and trying to understand more about the food because it wasn’t a always about the food you eat, right? I read study after study, showing me the value of the food going in and the results that came back. And then I hit gold, the plant based diet. I read the book the China Study and had a lot more f not all the information I needed. My daughter never came back to me regarding the research I asked of her but to this day my family and I have been eating a vegetarian plant diet(not plant based-they exclude cooking oils). I have reduced my ldl cholesterol, triglycerides, and increased my hdl cholesterol by eliminating dairy and animals out of my diet.

    My real reason for switching stemmed from my family history of heart disease and dementia. After doing my research I now understand how an animal based diet was my weak point in my genetic history. We are all created differently so if meat and dairy works for you, continue down that road. As for me, I’ve lost 110 lbs, had not had back pain since I’ve changed my diet(inflammation goes away when you stop eating processed sugar and refined carbs),

    For a 44 year old man, I feel stronger than I did when I was 18. I also don’t suffer like a lot of men my age from ED(no little blue pill for me, I guess the research has concluded that less cholesterol in your diet will help eliminate blockage which prevents blood flow to the tip).

    So in a nut shell, if you enjoy the many benefits of your diet. Continue down that road, I know I will. Please do yourself a favor and get the lab work done to prove to yourself what you are doing is working. If the doctor comes back and prescribes 5 medications for you, you may want to reconsider. If you doctor comes back and says your as healthy as a 500 lb gorilla-you may be vegan.

  25. Jay on November 27, 2019 at 11:33 am

    Not one person here talked of the perspective of teeth. Our teeth aren’t carnivorous. They weren’t made to tear flesh. So to say that we’re supposed to be eating meat is ignorant and uneducated. I’m far from being a vegan/vegetarian but I don’t believe in a full meat diet. It’s totally unhealthy and lacks fiber, which your body needs to process waste out of the body.
    Topsoil problem? Bahaha. I laugh at that. Farming/slaughtering animals produce a larger carbon footprint than plants so don’t feed me this eat all meat b.s.
    This guy has no idea what he’s talking about and needs to get re-educated.

    • ALyssa on February 24, 2020 at 11:50 pm

      You do realize that we have CANINE teeth right? They are there for the sole purpose of ripping and tearing apart meat.

  26. Robert Howes on December 9, 2019 at 6:22 pm

    71 years old. 50 years vegan, not dead yet. Pretty healthy. Expect a decade or two yet. I take a little vitamin B12. B12 is pretty natural. It is in rivers and streams but not in tap water as far as I know. What do anti-vegans think is missing from a vegan diet that will make them sick or dead? I really want to know. I think it could be worry. Worry can make you sick. So be like me. Whatever your diet, don’t worry. We are all going to die anyway.

  27. Tom Connolly on February 22, 2020 at 11:46 am

    Panda Bears the only ones…really? What about Gorilla’s?
    Not only is the DNA of the Gorilla 98% similar to humans at a genetic level but they are also 100% herbivore….and strangely one of the strongest mammals on the planet. I call bullshit Prof.

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