We pick out some popular debates in the vegan world and tackle them head-on. This time we ask, if you’re vegan, should you ride horses?

If you treat a horse with respect and care, is it okay to ride?

Debate: Should Vegans Ride Horses? 1

Riding a horse does not necessary abuse or exploit that animal. Many riders love horses, and treat those animals with respect and kindness. Being vegan is about minimising suffering to other living creatures, and if riding horses does not cause the animal to suffer, then how c an it go against that basic principle?

Michelle Whitham Jones is a long-term rider. She says: “My husband and I had just decided to move from vegetarianism to veganism when we bought our horses. We believed we were very ethical horse owners because our horses were looked after very well and received a great deal of care and attention from us. Later, we acquired our rescued Mini-Shetland Ben, and nursed his sweet itch scabs with plant based remedies.

“Our horses do not have metal shoes. We ride without bits because of the harm that they could cause and because I don’t like the thought of metal bits in mouths. We have managed to find a source of vegan saddles and bridles so our horses don’t have to be dressed with leather either.

“Our horses live out in four acres all year although they can choose to use a field shelter if they need to. We still treat our horses with the upmost respect and care but we are also safe, our horses can’t choose to communicate with light kicks or bites like they do in the field with each other, we use humane training techniques which never involve whips or pain of any kind.

“My horses are healthy and together we coexist in a very pleasant, cruelty-free way. I am happy to discuss my view of veganism and I am also aware that there may be some dramatic about-turns in the future, but for now, I am a free thinking, liberated horse owning vegan, and I am fine with it.”


Debate: Should Vegans Ride Horses? 2

To use any animal for our own entertainment is exploitation, and therefore not vegan. Exploitation does not necessarily mean abuse, it means using someone else for your own benefit.

Jemma Crosby has been vegan for two years. After being involved in dressage for several years as a junior rider, she recently gave up the sport. She says: “When I became vegan, I stopped riding horses – in the same way I stopped eating animals and wearing wool and leather. When you become vegan, you stop exploiting animals, and that may involve giving up things you have previously enjoyed doing.

“I believe animals are not ours to use. For me to go to a riding school, and pay for the ‘use’ of on the horses for a ride meant the horse was being commodified, and someone was profiting from that horse. I don’t think the riding school owners should make money from using that horse, in the same way I don’t think a farmer, for example, should make money from selling meat.

“For me, veganism is about animal rights, and the steps some riders will take to reduce harm to the horse i.e. not using a metal bit, or a whip, are animal welfare steps. It is better than treating the animal badly, but it does not actually adhere to the vegan ideology. I accept that many riders do love horses, and do treat them well. I also believe if someone rescues an abandoned or abused horse,
it is good to give the animal a good, safe home. I’m not blinkered, and realise as long as we live in a world where people do use animals, there will always be a need to provide sanctuary.

“But I don’t believe vegans should buy into, or promote that market by ‘buying’ or ‘owning’ horses. Ultimately, using a horse for riding, you are exercising control and ownership over an autonomous, independent animal, and that goes against everything veganism is about.”



We have presented you with two sides of the argument, but what do you think?

Have your say below…



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  1. Pat on February 13, 2018 at 12:29 am

    We don’t ride dogs, but they live a life every bit as controlled as that of a horse. They go for walks on leads, and aren’t able to go where they want to and at the speed they want to, They spend almost all of their time inside a house. A horse on the other hand, can be loose outside for long periods. My horses are confined to their boxes only when we’re expecting the hoof trimmer or vet out. The rest of the time they can go into the barn, the run-in or the greenhouse (they’ve recently taken over the greenhouse for the winter).

    So who has the worse life? Taking your horse for a walk on a lead, which I have heard some people advocate, doesn’t really give them much exercise, and they probably won’t get a lot of exercise munching their way around a field that’s just a few acres in size. I sometimes ride one of my horses, but the other two are not sound. All three horses are rescues. I have non-leather tack and riding boots.

    i spend about $1000 per month caring for my rescued companion animals. I’m tired of self-righteous vegans who condemn me for gently riding my horse. People seem to think that horses have to be beaten into submission. Nonsense. My mare is very willing and likes to get out for a snoop around the neighbourhood. We both find ringwork very boring so we don’t do that. But I do not think that I’m exploiting my horse. I think that many vegans are narrow-minded and judgmental, passing judgment without knowig the whole story.

    • Natty on March 22, 2018 at 3:45 pm

      Pat I think you’re missing the point.. you act as if you’re just gently exploiting this creature, when any amount of exploitation is wrong. I mean do you expect your children to carry you around.. if so I’d actually like to see that.. saving a creature is one thing but capturing and containing a creature is another altogether.. you’re probably the type of person who says something like: “well humans have been doing it for so long that it should be ok.” But you don’t realize that there is no world anymore where we need to depend on animals for anything.. take care of your animals don’t exploit them..

      • Lily on June 4, 2018 at 6:42 pm

        Natty – comparing Pat riding a horse to riding a child is, very obviously, comparing apples to oranges. Riding a 1000lb animal vs riding a 50 lb child – really? If you have arguments to propose, please at least let them be intelligent. I am vegan and this is an issue I am still exploring so I stumbled onto this article and unfortunately found your response.
        What is most disturbing is your immediate judgement of Pat. THIS is what is keeping people from being vegan. You cannot propose to help change people’s understanding of a situation by judging them. Please consider how you sound. I too want the whole world to be vegan but your way is going to do just the opposite.

      • Dohzorus on January 16, 2020 at 5:05 am

        This is an exchange. You see, some people work with bees. Those bees are protected from being killed, and in exchange, human use their honey. Same for me, I have an apartment, So I have a roof and won’t die, and in exchange, I pay a freaking rent. Am I being exploited?

        • Lani on November 14, 2020 at 5:17 pm

          Actually, landownership is a manufactured man made monetization of landmass. So yes, I actually believe we are being exploited. I get it’s the whole system in place and we’re used to it. But there was a time when land was just landed and people lived off the land and the car st of living there was communal and societal, not money-based. I do believe not all horseback riding is exploitative. But I get how judge mental vegans can get reactive.

      • Ifyouopposepetsurgae on August 26, 2020 at 11:01 pm

        Ah, yes, veganism aka natural selection at work. If someone can actually convince me that fishing, or enjoying a nice hot steak, or even PLAYING WITH MY DOG is a bad thing to do, then I will actually become vegan. But you can’t because it’s literally pointless and goes against anything any normal person knows

        • Madrid on December 6, 2020 at 1:39 pm

          Production of your nice hot steak is the main reason for climate change, antibiotic resistance, deforestation (especially in Amazon), animal abuse (watch dominion document if you don’t believe), water depeletion, human stravation. Will you become vegan now?

        • Mary on May 4, 2021 at 2:57 pm

          You’re comparing fishing and eating a steak to playing with your dog? Look. I GET how hard it is to give up animal products. I ate meat for many years. And dairy up until recently. But that doesn’t make it right.

          I urge you to watch Seaspiracy and Dominion to at least become knowledgeable about what really goes on behind closed doors. Unfortunately, the animal industry is shockingly cruel and abusive. I think in 10-20 years, we will look back on it like we look back on slavery now (because yes, people treat those poor animals like slaves).

          Also…How is a dog any different from a pig or a cow? Why should we eat a pig and not a dog when a pig is actually more intelligent?

          I’d also argue that eating meat and dairy isn’t natural. Does any other animal STEAL a mother’s milk from her like we steal cow’s milk from a mother cow? It’s not natural at all. And the fact that meat and dairy raise your risk of cancer, diabetes and other chronic diseases (and led to COVID-19) should be enough evidence that it’s not natural for human beings to consume animal products.

    • Mary on April 11, 2020 at 6:09 am

      Exactly, couldn’t agree more. When you buy a dog, you buy him so that you are happy. By the other, very illogical, vegan reasoning, you are exploiting that animal, aren’t you?

      • Michael on September 19, 2021 at 7:59 pm

        Pretty sure my dog had a very shitty life before I got him so think it was a mutual benefit.

  2. Omar on June 20, 2018 at 3:54 pm

    I completely agree with Pat and Lily. Riding a horse is not exploitation at all. It can’t be compared to riding children. For horses exploitation means horse racing, or a life where all they every do is be ridden or stay in a barn. But surely the conditions described in the article and by Pat are those of a healthy partnership between horse and human.
    Pat, well done for your love of these rescued horses and for the time and energy you spend with them. This is true love of animals and has nothing to do with exploitation in my opinion.

    • Bonnie on January 9, 2021 at 7:45 pm

      So well said, I wish I would have written it. I call myself a vegan now but was raised as an omnivore. We had horses and gave no thought to their exploration, sadly. This was a long, long time ago. I now know better, so, I do better!

  3. Glen on September 7, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    First up, I’m not vegan. I’m Whole Food Plant Based, which is all about getting the right nutrition for health. Some side effects (sparing the animal cruelty for example) are apparently the main goals of vegans, so I have come to understand. But I do still have my own ideas about treatment of animals. To ride a horse, first you need to take it from the wild by force. You deny its freedom and its life choices from that time onward. Somewhat similar to a life sentence with hard labour for a human that has committed no crime. To those that say their horse or other animal is happy and well cared for, try opening up the gate and see how long it hangs around when it has a choice.

    There is no “ownership” of animals. There are only agreements made between certain humans that state which human gets to deny which animals liberties.

    • Pikachu on December 19, 2018 at 1:33 am

      I guess you don’t like Pokemon

    • Seth on November 1, 2019 at 8:07 pm

      i feel a need to chime in here. as a vegan who grew up practicing what’s often referred to as “natural horsemanship” (working with horses based on the horse’s natural instincts and methods of communication, with the understanding that horses do not learn through fear or pain), i have to support Pat and her observation that her riding relationship with her mare is one which the mare herself enjoys.

      to your point about “opening up the gate and seeing how long they hang around,” well i’ve spent innumerable days doing just that. after a fun day of riding, essentially allowing my horses to take us anywhere they felt compelled, my mother and i would often untack the horses, brush them down, and then leave them to graze and play in the front yard of our house. not only would they seem perfectly content to “hang around,” but sometimes they’d even let themselves back into the corral or the barn.

      when i was younger, one of my favorite things was to come home after school and take a nap. where would i sleep? well, i’d climb bareback on top of my quarter horse Pecho, and i’d close my eyes. he would continue to walk around and graze for hours if i had nowhere to be, always careful to keep me from falling.

      that horse was my best friend for most of my childhood, and i’d say not only that my family loved him, but that he very clearly loved us, too.

      • Crystal Scott on March 13, 2020 at 6:04 pm

        So true. I had horses for over 2 decades. You can develop a relationship with them and ride them without harming them. Exploitation is when you are forcing them to work day and night for profit and to support you . My horses have cost me over 80 000 in care, I never made a cent from them.

    • Janice on November 3, 2019 at 4:07 pm

      Spot on!

    • Carly on September 3, 2021 at 11:20 pm

      Animals that are bred into captivity cannot be released back into the wild and sadly, this is how it is right now. Hopefully one day, all horses are wild horses but until then, the domestic horses need good care and exercise.
      Taking your horse for a walk on lead or longeing them is just not sufficient because horses are supposed to roam 30-40 miles per day. If you cannot give your horse this mileage, you should probably be riding them if possible to make sure you are giving them adequate exercise. Of course, this is only true for riders who use properly fitted tack, take good care of their horses, understand how horses communicate and actually listen to their horse, only ride horses who are physically able and healthy, and use the least harsh equipment possible, such as bitless bridles. Horseback riding can be perfected so that it is not exploitation. The horses get exercise and mental stimulation they need to stay happy and healthy that they would not otherwise get in a pasture, and their owner gets exercise and enjoyment from them. It is a partnership and a beautiful thing when done correctly.

  4. Maria on September 22, 2018 at 9:28 am

    Also, what happens when you don’t ride a horse for a few days or even weeks or months? Well the horse doesn’t want a human on its back anymore. If you could ask a horse if it wants to carry you around I’m sure the horse would say no as apparently you have to “exercise” the horse daily otherwise it will refuse to be ridden.

    • Kym on February 29, 2020 at 7:10 am

      The question I have for folks who do not want horses to be ridden or owned is this: what do you think will actually happen if, tomorrow, people stopped owning horses and set them free into the wild? Would those horses have a better life without vets, equine chiropractors, and shelter from the elements?

  5. Swati Prakash on November 15, 2018 at 11:01 am

    It is all a question of free will. If the horse was born in nature then will he or she approach us for being ridden or will he or she have a happier life with the herd? The entire idea of owning an animal is human ego. Leashing it, confining it and deciding what the animal should be used for is exploitative. Just because we do it to dogs does not mean it is okay. Riding could also alter or hurt their spine especially when they are younger or if ridden upon regularly and we can never say how they really feel about it unless we are telepathic. Killing or hurting them is of course morally wrong but that does not mean just because we do not hurt them physically that it is okay to hurt them mentally or spiritually. Keeping them in human boundaries and restrictions whether at home, stables or zoos is debatable although we may say it is for conservation of the species…that they would be killed in their natural habitat but that is entirely human fault. This question is not about being vegan, it is about being conscious and compassionate.

    • Mara on January 28, 2019 at 8:12 pm

      Horses will also use their “free will” to eat vegetation that will kill them, such as yew. Free will =/= rationality and intelligence.

    • Lucy on September 19, 2019 at 8:49 am

      I wholeheartedly agree with you on the issues of human ego and pet ownership. And the lies zoos tell us about conservation is briefly told here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/zoos-cruel-wildlife-conservation-species-a9056701.html?fbclid=IwAR2qiRhaChpXmjwgyMtD00z1xHmqInmzyMxXOnHO_htPAcJUSXqLBQKG2zU.
      But leaving things alone is not always the compassionate thing to do. I would suggest examining indigenous peoples’ relationships with plants and animals and having a read of Braiding Sweetgrass. Robin Wall Kimmerer is far more articulate than I could ever be!

    • Kym on February 29, 2020 at 7:13 am

      In theory I agree with you, but the reality is that if horses roam free today they will end up as road kill or in a slaughter house. It is a sad thing, but there is no where left for them to roam. That is certainly our fault as humans, and we need to work to change that. However, as it is not currently logical to set all horses free, stop shaming responsible horse owners who care for their animals and keep them out of abusive situations.

  6. Kes bee on December 28, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    The reality is that very few horses are born wild – at least in the uk. We have domesticated horses for thousands of years, they can’t actually fend for themselves, (and there isn’t the land for them to run free)- hence the issues with abandoned / neglected ponies having massively overgrown hooves, matted fur, hidden sores etc. They also enjoy interacting with people who respect them and care for them. I myself had a horse who had been badly treated, she came to trust me and she loved going out to explore the countryside with me on her back. If she ever wasn’t ridden she would quickly gain weight putting her at risk of laminitis. Incidentally she lived in a very large field with a few other horses and was only fed a little extra ‘feed’ in winter months. The laminitis got her in the end, she was 31 and no longer being ridden. No way would she have tolerated being taken for a walk on a lead! She loved to be given her head and allowed to gallop! I would certainly not advocate capturing and taming a wild horse but the reality is, the more vegans that ride compassionately, the more chance we have of changing the prevailing equestrian culture.

    • Kym on February 29, 2020 at 7:16 am


  7. Quinton Christie on January 3, 2019 at 1:52 pm

    I’m a firm vegan, but I’m also a realist. I’m in the horse care industry, having long been involved in the endurance sport, before going vegan. This argument is silly, really. What would the anti-horse ownership vegans propose; that we release all domesticated animals, including pets, into the wild, “from whence they came”, and let them sort each other out? Domesticated animals are hardwired for human companionship. Abuse, torture, slaughtering, exploitation etc, yes, that’s all wrong, and, yes, it happens to all domesticated animals across the world, even pets, like cats and dogs, but it’s the ” Abuse, torture, slaughtering, exploitation etc”, that has to be decried, not ethical, and humane, ownership. There is a huge difference between taken good care of a pig, so you have a good carcass (the norm), and taking good care of a horse so you have a good riding companion (the norm).

  8. DoDo on January 31, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    I’m not vegan, but an (almost) lifelong vegetarian. One thing I think is mostly missing in the conversation is the notion of relationship. Why do some think it’s inherently bad to have a relationship with a horse? Having a relationship means it a two-way street, and involves doing things with each other, and understanding each other. Omar touched on it a bit and the point is worth stressing.

    If my horse wants to jerk the lead rope out of my hands, and play the “keep away” game, she’s perfectly able to do that, and she knows it! Sometimes, she’s feeling playful, and thinks that it’s a fun game. I can tell by the look on her face!

    So, when she allows herself to be led by me, I know that’s her choice. When I hold the noseband of the halter open for her, and of her own volition, she puts her nose into it, I know she has made the choice to be with me, and do things with me. Same thing when she opens her mouth of her own accord and allows me to put the bit in her mouth.

    And whether or not a horse gets “antsy” being ridden, after not being ridden for a while, is an extremely variable thing. Some do, but some don’t and can be saddled up, ridden and be just fine, even after a year or more. It depends on the horse. So with all your care for the animal, why do you deny them their own individuality? And the ones who do get “antsy” – Why do they? I would suggest that maybe they could be a bit excited at knowing they might be –finally- getting a chance to go somewhere with their human?

    Horses are enormously strong, they are also very social, generous with us when we treat them fairly, and willing to include us in THEIR social circle. I think that’s all they really want from us, fairness and for us to include them back, as partners.

    They are also sensitive to us, and care about us, in their horse way, when we let them! There have been times when I was emotionally upset, and she showed gentleness and caring to me, because – guess what? My horse and I have a mutually caring relationship. If I’m unable to get to the barn for a while, she’s happy to see me when I get back! I can tell by her face, and how she acts.

    To most of you who are against riding, it makes me wonder if you have ever actually known a horse, or loved and been loved by a horse? It’s a wonderful feeling.

    But, to the dressage rider who has given up riding – Maybe you DID use the horse badly. Maybe you thought of the horse as a means to an end, and not a FRIEND with whom you could do things TOGETHER? In that case perhaps it is good that you don’t ride. But it seems sad to me that you’ve apparently missed the relationship aspect of your time with horses. Because that relationship is the BEST.

    • Alfredo Ontiveros on August 22, 2020 at 3:20 am

      “Why do some think it’s inherently bad to have a relationship with a horse? Having a relationship means it a two-way street, and involves doing things with each other, and understanding each other.”


  9. Michael on February 16, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    For me, this is a total no brainer. Keeping any animal for your own gratification does not adhere to the vegan ethos of non use of animals by humans. I should think that most vegans would only keep a ‘Pet’ if it has been rescued, after which they would try to give it the best life they could with focus on the animals well being and not on their own. Riding the animal is not necessary to the animals well being. As for someone who pays to go horse riding, well sorry but you’re not a vegan and don’t understand fundamentally what veganism is.

  10. Andrew Maskell on June 7, 2019 at 3:51 pm

    The horse population in th uk is as great as the beef herd. Therefore if we are supposed to be not eating beef in order to eliminate the national beef herd to reduce greenhouse gases, then the same should apply to the horse herd.

    • Julia on December 11, 2019 at 10:47 am

      What you say is right about greenhouse gasses. Everyone is vegan for their own reasons, but for the majority it seems to be for animal rights reasons and the environmental impact gets sidelined.

  11. Ng Xin Zhao on July 23, 2019 at 1:53 pm

    I am more curious as to the period before automobiles are invented and horse riding is the most practical way to travel long distances and fast.

    If vegans in that period opposes horse riding, then they would have to walk everywhere, confined to a place most of their life if they are not the travelling type. Well as the Buddha lived that way, then I don’t think it’s impractical. Just not possible to be a mail delivery, or many other jobs.

  12. Jeanne on July 27, 2019 at 12:32 am

    I would like to know what happens to horses who have reached their prime at riding academies and can no longer be is use to these people. I’m sure some are shipped to other countries to be slaughtered

    • tony on December 15, 2019 at 5:12 pm

      they are mostly shot. some are rescued and kept . how ever a ban ob rideing wold see a freat many more shot

    • Kym on February 29, 2020 at 7:20 am

      That is by no means the norm! Most people who ride would do anything for their horse and would never ever send it to slaughter! Most equestrians I know go into debt at one point or another to pay for expensive emergency care for their animal to keep it alive and healthy.

  13. Jeanne on July 27, 2019 at 12:33 am

    Be of use

  14. Robin on January 20, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    In the UK
    So if we don’t eat farm animals, no one will raise farm animals, so our countryside will be denuded of cows and sheep and pigs and chickens and deer and birds raised for shooting like pheasants and grouse.

    If we don’t ride horses the equine industry will collapse and we will have very few horses, maybe those on exmoor.

    We won’t have zoos, petting zoo’s, animal entertainers so the only animals we will have are wild birds, Foxes, Badgers and rabbits (with a shed load of nets/fences everywhere to keep all these humanely away from our crops).

    I understand there is even a question about dogs and cats, although I would have thought cats keep humans rather than th other way around.

    So a Vegan world in the UK will be a pretty much animal free, as in NO ANIMALS, world.

    Is that right?

  15. Soukaina on January 22, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    I love horses and horse back riding but the way it is done at huge stables with many children and adults restricting horses to walking circles and figures in a small sand box is not what a naturally wild animal wants to do with their life. Dogs are bred to the point that they naturally bond to humans and listen to them. This is not the case with horses, most won’t blindly follow their owner. Maybe someday if i live on a ranch near a nature conserve where wild horses can move freely, maybe if a horse would let me ride on top of them, without saddle, metal in their mouths,, ropes, simply sitting, holding on to their mane or something and going where he wants to go. Then I’d be okay with it. But also being realistic, that would never happen. So for me, the way riding schools are handled in big cities like mine, you can’t horse back ride without going against an animals will.

  16. Alfredo Ontiveros on August 22, 2020 at 3:16 am

    I ride my horse once or twice a week, she’s a mature mare. By riding her with kindness I help her to be in shape, we exercise together. The other 99% of the time she’s at the open field, eating grass and being happy, enjoying the company of the sheep (I have a few sheep: mine is a cruelty-free vegetarian small farm). At 3-4 pm, the flock (the mare and the sheep) arrives at the door of the stables, ask the keeper to open it by stare at it, and then, they go inside to rest and eat pasture. Then, they sleep calmly.

    I believe humans and animals can establish alliances: two worthy beings that benefit from each other’s existence. This has nothing to do with industrial farming, nor even traditional farming, nor even some traditional horse sports, in which animals are seen as products or machines. In this alliance I provide my horse with medical care, lots of love, food, shelter, fresh water, a safe environment, other herbivores’ company. She, on her side, for 40 minutes a day, some days of the week, allows me to get on her back and enjoy a ride together, exercising and touring the estate. It’s funny cause when we’re done, we go to find the sheep, I unsaddle the mare and off she goes to be with her friends.

    • Martin Baggie on November 18, 2020 at 11:17 pm

      I respect your opinion and I admire your optimism, but I disagree with you. We (humans) have imposed our will on many animals; we have defined speciesism by eating some, petting some, using some for sport and leisure, and finally letting some live a natural life. Once the animal makes the decision, only then will I be convinced that what we (humans) consider acceptable, is actually acceptable.

      • Simon hodgkinson on August 3, 2021 at 6:54 pm

        I’m with you on this Martin. I loved riding horses until I realised that it’s against the will of the horses and can cause injuries which end up with them being put down. Horses may become accustomed to it but have to be ‘broken in’ first. Broken in is basically breaking the will of the horse so they have to comply. Dress that up as you wish but it goes against everything veganism stands for.

  17. Stephen Dintaman on October 30, 2020 at 12:43 am

    It is discussions like this that make non-vegans looking on roll their eyes and walk away. Some of the participants here seem to believe that horses somehow originally existed ‘wild and free’ and that it is some kind of act of barbaric cruelty to confine them and use them for our own ‘egos’. Fact is, horses are not simply products of nature. The modern horse is the end result of thousands of years of domestication and selective breeding by their human companions. Like dogs, they are domesticated animals that have co-evolved with their human masters. Initially they were essential human companions used for hard work in transport and agriculture and war. Most horses today have a much, much easier life. Some of you object on the ground that horses cannot give consent, well, duh, they are animals. The whole concept of consent shows the utter philosophical vacuity of talking about animal ‘rights’. Animals function in a world where the concept of rights is totally alien. There is an easy answer to the consent issue. As a horse owner I ask myself, or if you prefer, a disinterested third party, ‘I have this contract to suggest. I give you food shelter and medical care and every now and then you give me a ride, which by the way is good exercise for you, deal?’ Any horse, or authorized horse agent, would go for that deal in a flash

  18. Mark Rotlewicz on December 5, 2020 at 10:13 pm

    Well, as plant based diet adherents we are not technically vegans. That being said and realizing I’m stretching the scope, a vegan would not eat an animal dead from natural causes. Can you stretch it to fossil fuel products that run our cars?

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